OT: "Big News" from the Duggers

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jenniesgroups		#181	[url]	[-]
Posts: 19 05/13/08 12:51:46	Nevanna wrote: Oh, and jenniesgroups, thank you for being judgmental about my decision to take my son to a daycare. I had forgotten that was a few pages back. Considering that I have just one, and I only stay away from nine hours a day...I would suspect he gets more individual, quality attention from me than the Duggar kids do from their parents. Just by doing the math. 18 kids, 2 parents, 16 hours awake...that's maybe one hour per child per parent per day. Assuming that that the parents never do anything else, of course. My little boy (considering we co-sleep) is able to get as much or as little attention the remainder of the day as he would like. (And, quite frankly, even when I am home, all he wants to do is run around and play all day anyway.) REad that post again. I never said that someone who takes their child to daycare is "wrong". I was trying to state that the kids are neglected b/c they don't get enough time with their parents, yet think taking children to daycare for 12 hours a day is OK, is not valid. Your son is fortunate you spend time with him. I've worked in daycare and now nanny for 2 siblings in the evening. I see complete opposites of you. My point was not to judge those who need to use daycare and I'm sorry if you took it that way.
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jenniesgroups		#182	[url]	[-]
Posts: 19 05/13/08 12:55:23	Nevanna wrote: Dressing up something harmful or dangerous in the name of religion does not give it an exemption. Example...the Neuman family whose daughter died of treatable diabetes, because they prayed instead of taking her to the hospital. The Duggars present this shiny, perfect image. No way is everything as squeaky-clean and happy as they claim. I agree people have problems and that dressing up something harmful in the name of religion doesn't give it an exemption. Where we disagree is whether their lifestyle is harmful or not. I don't believe it is. You said "The Duggers present this shiny, perfect image. No way is everything as squeaky-clean and happy as they claim". First, is it always "squeaky clean" on the shows? I seem to recall someone stating there was an issue with one of the children getting on a bus. I'm sure there are more instances of discipline issues and such shown (although I don't watch the show so I don't know). Secondly, why can't a family be squeaky clean and happy?
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Craptaculous.survivorsucks		#183	[url]	[-]
Posts: 590 05/13/08 13:04:11	I'll criticize someone's religious beliefs when they run contrary to the inalienable rights that exist in this country. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Pursuit of Happiness...by not educating their woman, these people are denying the inalienable right to this. One could argue that it also denies them the right to Liberty. Last Edited By: Craptaculous 05/13/08 13:07:24. Edited 2 times.
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jenniesgroups		#184	[url]	[-]
Posts: 19 05/13/08 13:05:54	Craptaculous wrote: I'll criticize someone's religious beliefs when they run contrary to the [url ="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inalienable"]inalienable[/url] rights that exist in this country. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Pursuit of Happiness...by not educating their woman, these people are denying the inalienable right to this. One could argue that it also denies them the right to Liberty. I guess I'm confused as to why people state they aren't teaching the girls? Can you show me where this idea comes from?
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warpedfactor9		#185	[url]	[-]
Posts: 249 05/13/08 13:10:18	jenniesgroups wrote: Craptaculous wrote: I'll criticize someone's religious beliefs when they run contrary to the [url ="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inalienable"]inalienable[/url] rights that exist in this country. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Pursuit of Happiness...by not educating their woman, these people are denying the inalienable right to this. One could argue that it also denies them the right to Liberty. I guess I'm confused as to why people state they aren't teaching the girls? Can you show me where this idea comes from? As far as I can tell, the girls aren't being taught that there are other opportunities in the world for them besides cooking, cleaning, and having babies so it could be said that they aren't truly being given the right to choose or at the very least the education and tools needed to make their own choices in life.
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Nevanna		#186	[url]	[-]
Posts: 571 05/13/08 13:14:57	I have no problem with SAHM's or raising children, when it's the woman's choice. I chose to work. Others choose to stay home. Part of my problem with this family, is that other ideas don't appear to be even presented to the children.
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warpedfactor9		#187	[url]	[-]
Posts: 249 05/13/08 13:17:31	jenniesgroups wrote: Nevanna wrote: Dressing up something harmful or dangerous in the name of religion does not give it an exemption. Example...the Neuman family whose daughter died of treatable diabetes, because they prayed instead of taking her to the hospital. The Duggars present this shiny, perfect image. No way is everything as squeaky-clean and happy as they claim. I agree people have problems and that dressing up something harmful in the name of religion doesn't give it an exemption. Where we disagree is whether their lifestyle is harmful or not. I don't believe it is. You said "The Duggers present this shiny, perfect image. No way is everything as squeaky-clean and happy as they claim". First, is it always "squeaky clean" on the shows? I seem to recall someone stating there was an issue with one of the children getting on a bus. I'm sure there are more instances of discipline issues and such shown (although I don't watch the show so I don't know). Secondly, why can't a family be squeaky clean and happy? But in some ways it is harmful. The older children are not being allowed to have a childhood because they're basically raising the younger ones while their mother keeps punching out babies. Also, each pregnancy increases the health risks to Ma Duggar and if something happens to her, those older daughters are going to be responsible for the younger kids. What kind of life is that?
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Nunya		#188	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1341 05/13/08 14:41:58	Religion shmeligion, those girls aren't being groomed for anything but what ma and pa deem proper and good, and that does NOT include them getting a real education, going to college, having a career. They are not allowing those girls to make their own choices, think if they had the choice they would REALLY choose to be mothers to their siblings, or think they might want to have actual childhoods, going out with friends, going to school, imagining what they can do with their futures and actually being able to do so? Purposely denying a child the right to make his/her own choices is IMO not too far from child abuse. My child is not an extension of me, he is an individual person and I am not going to decide for him what he should be when he grows up. P.S I don't know anyone that has their children in daycare 12 hours a day. That's ridiculous.
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jenniesgroups		#189	[url]	[-]
Posts: 19 05/13/08 15:52:53	just responding to Nunya's PS. I worked in childcare and most of the parents there had their children in 12 hours a day, plus when there was a holiday that most of them would have off (depending on their jobs) they would still bring their children in for atleast 1/2 the day. I now nanny for a family in the evening. They drop the 2 kids off at daycare at 7pm. I pick them up at 5:30 and am with the kids, feeding, giving baths, playing with until 7:30. This is part to do with the area I am in- Northern Virginia, but there are a lot of families similar to this one. It's sad but true.
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jenniesgroups		#190	[url]	[-]
Posts: 19 05/13/08 15:57:48	test
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slvancouver	My two pence!	#191	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5 05/13/08 16:31:33	My Great Grandmother had 24 kids.. yup, you read it correctly, with no multiples. My Grandma is a middle child around the 12-15th (I doubt she even really knows anymore!) What I can tell you is this: my grandmother loved her childhood, there was always someone around, she never wanted for love and affection is because it was always there, the oldest did tend to the little ones but they weren't forced to, it almost became the natural order of things. She smiles when she talks about it and even laughs when she thinks about them having only a dirt floor until after the 10th child came. Anyway.. that's my story.
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KidLawless77		#192	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4565 05/13/08 16:35:18	Does anyone else think it is odd we are getting new posters about this topic? I wonder if toririch got some buddies to post on her behalf. Just thinking out loud, because this is not a thread I would be expecting if I came to chatboard about TomKat. The only thing TomKat and the Duggars have in common is bad haircuts and a weird, controversial religion.
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KidLawless77		#193	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4565 05/13/08 16:40:47	I don't see this as an attack on big families at all. jaybec mentioned s/he is from a big family and many of us have said we didn't care how many kids the Duggars had-only we did not like the fact that they are (literally) making a living out of it. My maternal grandmother was the second of 7 and hated it. She was not close to her silblings at all. I had an Irish pal who was also the second of 7 and he liked it. My point is, no two families are alike. We are discussing one family on here and some of the things that have raised question or concerns. Frankly, I would be worried if they had a 'normal' number of kids and they were being 'blanket trained' and receiving shoddy education at best.
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slvancouver		#194	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5 05/13/08 16:44:52	I'm actually not new.. I just can't remember my original name on here. I was on the "Katie definitely in labour a the Yahoo meeting" camp after seeing the photos on justjared. And my only reason for posting is because I doubt anyone can top my number.. not even the Duggars!
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MamaJunebug		#195	[url]	[-]
Posts: 902 05/13/08 17:16:05	The Duggars think they have it made and they like the way they live and they promote themselves partly out of ambition for Jimbob's political career and the power it will bring, but also because they think their way is pretty good and everybody should live that way. Quite probably the family that jenniesgroups works for think they have it made (or are on their way to it), and they have ambitions for their political or corporate career and the power it will bring. They also probably think they way is pretty good and that a lot of people would be better off living that way. (Of course, they have a fine young woman caring for their chidlren at night!! ) Each of us here has an idea of what life would look like if we had it made. We have ambitions and we want some power, even if it's only the power to decide when to go to work and when to phart around on the computer. We each probably think our preferred way of life is pretty good and wish everybody could live that way. The problems arise when our way of life infringes on somebody else's, or when we don't just think everybody would be better off doing it our way but when we try to make everybody be like us. All that said, I think a lot of FKians see the Duggars with a not-so-hidden agenda: No choice for women in childbearing, and fewer choices for female children than for male. We all are here, in Sheila's words, because we are concerned about a gifted young actress held captive by forces we may never understand. IOW, if we're concerned about a broad who had more money by her 21st birthday than most of us will see in a lifetime, we're also concerned about some girl-children born and raised in Arkansas to have no choices, at least as we see it. Other FKians possibly see our concern about the Duggar girls (and the FLDS girls, et.al.) as symptomatic of the larger culture that has pushed its values onto more people than just those who agreed with them. Long way of saying, "Your influence ends where my nose begins."
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