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Apr 8 11 9:55 PM
RealTiredMom wrote:anyone checked out the DM comments yet? theres some great snarky ones! (i cannot cut and paste from ipod sorry!)
Why is she failing to charm Americans? Maybe because she's married to an idiot Scientologist cult leader? - LuLu, Arlington, VA, 8/4/2011 17:10First of all she's married to an idiot who thinks he's smarter and better than everyone else in the world. Second, she parades her little brat around like royalty and destroying the poor child's chance for a normal life. Third, she exhibits a level of conspectious consumption that rival Fergie and other members of the royal family. Katie married the wrong person and has alienated herself by marrying an alien of the higher order. She and her husband....big yawn.- Charles, Durham, North Carolina, USA, 8/4/2011 17:20Maybe she isn't well received because she isn't a very good actor and she reminds everyone of a stroke victim the way she talks out of the side of her face. It's annoying and distracting. - Kerri, Phoenix, AZ, 8/4/2011 17:29She is NOT a good actress and a bit of an air head. Did any one see the interview on Ellen ? Besides, a good mother ??? Who lets their 4 year old (now 5) wear high heels and still suck on a passy ? She is only known for being married to that fruit loop Tom Cruise.- Theresa, Atlanta, Ga. USA, 8/4/2011 17:37You're right, she's not resonating with the American people. You want to know why? Two words: Tom Cruise. We think he's creepy with his Scientology cult and she's in it with him lock, stock and two smoking barrels. It's the worst decision she ever made. Period.- John D., Jacksonville, FL, 8/4/2011 17:44Maybe she just makes bad movies or maybe it is the cult her husband leads (one of the top 5)?- Robert, Atlanta, GA, USA, 8/4/2011 18:00There are a number of reasons why Americans aren't fans of Katie Holmes. First of all she went from being a cute, young, up-and-coming actress to suddenly being pregnant with Tom Cruise's baby and joining the Scientology cult. It seemed to everyone like she was brain washed. Also every magazine portrays her daughter as an out-of-control spoiled brat. Which, yes, makes Katie Holmes look bad. And lastly, she's just not a great actress and is about a dull as a rock. Honestly, no one really cares what she's up too and Suri' antics don't even interest people anymore. The Cruise family has been written off as just another wacky, famous family. She tries to be classy, but truth is, she'll never be a Reese Witherspoon. And Katie and Tom will never be the hot couple that Nicole and Tom were. And Tom Cruise will never be legendary like Robert Redford.- Samantha, Colorado, USA, 8/4/2011 18:02Katie is sort of like and empty shell - just like Tom - there nothing there - no spirit - no passion - I had occassion to see Jacquie many times in person and she had that certain something - that Katie lacks - you can call it whatever you like - some people have it - many don't - and neither Katie or her husband do. - AM, Philadelphia, PA, 8/4/2011 18:24Why? a) she's not that interesting b) she married a loony scientologist c) the Kennedy mini-series focuses on JFK's philandering instead of his achievements, so only attracts a certain type of audience d) she's not that interesting- Kris, Phoenix AZ US, 8/4/2011 18:43Let's face it. Any woman who marries Tom Cruise turns into a zombie. Get out, Katie, while you can!!- Delving Eye, Fairfield County, USA, 8/4/2011 18:54Her husbands a freak, thats why. - Jim, Va. Beach, Va. USA, 8/4/2011 18:55because shes ANNOYING and has turned into a zombie after she married that creep- erin, somewhere in the world, 8/4/2011 19:00Bottom line she is an OK TV actress that's all. She has no depth when she acts.She is no Meryl Streep. Also, she has zero in common with Jackie O. Jackie O was in a class unto herself. She should accept herself and deal with it.Life doesn't always give you want you want.- Andi, Dallas USA, 8/4/2011 19:07Q: "Why is Katie Holmes STILL failing to charm America?" A: She has mediocre talent.- Marie, Syracuse, USA, 8/4/2011 19:19She comes across as a Scientology/Weird Tom Cruise Stepford Wife. That is why she doesn't appeal to me.- MahinaB, Hawaii, U.S.A., 8/4/2011 19:24She's failing to charm us because of the psycho she's married to. At first we felt sorry for her. At first we tried to tell ourselves he was being controlling of everything she did. It's like Tom's just robbed her of her cute infectious energy. I really liked her as an actress, I liked her in Batman Begins. I would've liked Dark Knight a lot more had she been in it. - Alice, USA, 8/4/2011 19:45I'll tell you why, she brings NOTHING to the table. Actress? Hardly. Her private life is strange to say the least and her public life shows a young woman who let's her child rule the home. Don't even get me started as to how she chooses to present herself to the World with her fashion "style". If she hadn't hooked up with Cyborg Tom she'd have disappeared long ago. If she hadn't had the small screen success in a small tv show once, she'd have been living in a trailer park in Ohio and probably had been brought to court over her child endangering habits. Coffee and heels? Small child nearly nude in a snow storm or two? Yep, Hollywood class all the way.- Zombie, Ohio, USA, 8/4/2011 19:52She seems like a nice enough person, but I can't think of her without thinking of Tom Cruise, and my reflected dislike of him then gets all over her. Plus, like someone else said...no charisma.- Beth, USA, 8/4/2011 20:19
Why is she failing to charm Americans? Maybe because she's married to an idiot Scientologist cult leader?
- LuLu, Arlington, VA, 8/4/2011 17:10
First of all she's married to an idiot who thinks he's smarter and better than everyone else in the world. Second, she parades her little brat around like royalty and destroying the poor child's chance for a normal life. Third, she exhibits a level of conspectious consumption that rival Fergie and other members of the royal family. Katie married the wrong person and has alienated herself by marrying an alien of the higher order. She and her husband....big yawn.
- Charles, Durham, North Carolina, USA, 8/4/2011 17:20
Maybe she isn't well received because she isn't a very good actor and she reminds everyone of a stroke victim the way she talks out of the side of her face. It's annoying and distracting.
- Kerri, Phoenix, AZ, 8/4/2011 17:29
She is NOT a good actress and a bit of an air head. Did any one see the interview on Ellen ? Besides, a good mother ??? Who lets their 4 year old (now 5) wear high heels and still suck on a passy ? She is only known for being married to that fruit loop Tom Cruise.
- Theresa, Atlanta, Ga. USA, 8/4/2011 17:37
You're right, she's not resonating with the American people. You want to know why? Two words: Tom Cruise. We think he's creepy with his Scientology cult and she's in it with him lock, stock and two smoking barrels. It's the worst decision she ever made. Period.
- John D., Jacksonville, FL, 8/4/2011 17:44
Maybe she just makes bad movies or maybe it is the cult her husband leads (one of the top 5)?
- Robert, Atlanta, GA, USA, 8/4/2011 18:00
There are a number of reasons why Americans aren't fans of Katie Holmes. First of all she went from being a cute, young, up-and-coming actress to suddenly being pregnant with Tom Cruise's baby and joining the Scientology cult. It seemed to everyone like she was brain washed. Also every magazine portrays her daughter as an out-of-control spoiled brat. Which, yes, makes Katie Holmes look bad. And lastly, she's just not a great actress and is about a dull as a rock. Honestly, no one really cares what she's up too and Suri' antics don't even interest people anymore. The Cruise family has been written off as just another wacky, famous family. She tries to be classy, but truth is, she'll never be a Reese Witherspoon. And Katie and Tom will never be the hot couple that Nicole and Tom were. And Tom Cruise will never be legendary like Robert Redford.
- Samantha, Colorado, USA, 8/4/2011 18:02
Katie is sort of like and empty shell - just like Tom - there nothing there - no spirit - no passion - I had occassion to see Jacquie many times in person and she had that certain something - that Katie lacks - you can call it whatever you like - some people have it - many don't - and neither Katie or her husband do.
- AM, Philadelphia, PA, 8/4/2011 18:24
Why? a) she's not that interesting b) she married a loony scientologist c) the Kennedy mini-series focuses on JFK's philandering instead of his achievements, so only attracts a certain type of audience d) she's not that interesting
- Kris, Phoenix AZ US, 8/4/2011 18:43
Let's face it. Any woman who marries Tom Cruise turns into a zombie. Get out, Katie, while you can!!
- Delving Eye, Fairfield County, USA, 8/4/2011 18:54
Her husbands a freak, thats why.
- Jim, Va. Beach, Va. USA, 8/4/2011 18:55
because shes ANNOYING and has turned into a zombie after she married that creep
- erin, somewhere in the world, 8/4/2011 19:00
Bottom line she is an OK TV actress that's all. She has no depth when she acts.She is no Meryl Streep. Also, she has zero in common with Jackie O. Jackie O was in a class unto herself. She should accept herself and deal with it.Life doesn't always give you want you want.
- Andi, Dallas USA, 8/4/2011 19:07
Q: "Why is Katie Holmes STILL failing to charm America?" A: She has mediocre talent.
- Marie, Syracuse, USA, 8/4/2011 19:19
She comes across as a Scientology/Weird Tom Cruise Stepford Wife. That is why she doesn't appeal to me.
- MahinaB, Hawaii, U.S.A., 8/4/2011 19:24
She's failing to charm us because of the psycho she's married to. At first we felt sorry for her. At first we tried to tell ourselves he was being controlling of everything she did. It's like Tom's just robbed her of her cute infectious energy. I really liked her as an actress, I liked her in Batman Begins. I would've liked Dark Knight a lot more had she been in it.
- Alice, USA, 8/4/2011 19:45
I'll tell you why, she brings NOTHING to the table. Actress? Hardly. Her private life is strange to say the least and her public life shows a young woman who let's her child rule the home. Don't even get me started as to how she chooses to present herself to the World with her fashion "style". If she hadn't hooked up with Cyborg Tom she'd have disappeared long ago. If she hadn't had the small screen success in a small tv show once, she'd have been living in a trailer park in Ohio and probably had been brought to court over her child endangering habits. Coffee and heels? Small child nearly nude in a snow storm or two? Yep, Hollywood class all the way.
- Zombie, Ohio, USA, 8/4/2011 19:52
She seems like a nice enough person, but I can't think of her without thinking of Tom Cruise, and my reflected dislike of him then gets all over her. Plus, like someone else said...no charisma.
- Beth, USA, 8/4/2011 20:19
CLAM ALERT!!
Quoting "critic" Roger Friedman is like quoting Goering. The weaselly Friedman once hinted to the Cruise family that he'd just looove a dinner invite. As Friedman has made it a 20-year quest to criticize every Scientologist-actor or musician who ever hit the stage, no surprise that the Cruise family smiled politely, but did not extend invitation. Since then, Roger Friedman's ire has gotten even more snide and frequent. Then he got booted from his cushy job for video piracy! (Talk about dumb if you work in the entertainment world! Now he pontificates from a hard-to-find Web site, where he is neither funny, entertaining, nor even perceptive about movies. - Not Roger Friedman, Los Angeles, USA, 8/4/2011 20:46
Quoting "critic" Roger Friedman is like quoting Goering. The weaselly Friedman once hinted to the Cruise family that he'd just looove a dinner invite. As Friedman has made it a 20-year quest to criticize every Scientologist-actor or musician who ever hit the stage, no surprise that the Cruise family smiled politely, but did not extend invitation. Since then, Roger Friedman's ire has gotten even more snide and frequent. Then he got booted from his cushy job for video piracy! (Talk about dumb if you work in the entertainment world! Now he pontificates from a hard-to-find Web site, where he is neither funny, entertaining, nor even perceptive about movies.
- Not Roger Friedman, Los Angeles, USA, 8/4/2011 20:46
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Apr 9 11 3:57 AM
princesspeach wrote:Did anyone else notice this piece of snark from "biggest cheerleader" Roger Friedman?In the last five years Katie Holmes's career has become bland and boring,' says Friedman. 'Her best acting role has been as Tom Cruise's wife!'Well, I'd say it's at least been her best-paying acting role.
In the last five years Katie Holmes's career has become bland and boring,' says Friedman. 'Her best acting role has been as Tom Cruise's wife!'
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Apr 9 11 6:10 AM
There are a number of reasons why Americans aren't fans of Katie Holmes. First of all she went from being a cute, young, up-and-coming actress to suddenly being pregnant with Tom Cruise's baby and joining the Scientology cult. It seemed to everyone like she was brain washed. Also every magazine portrays her daughter as an out-of-control spoiled brat. Which, yes, makes Katie Holmes look bad. And lastly, she's just not a great actress and is about a dull as a rock. Honestly, no one really cares what she's up too and Suri' antics don't even interest people anymore. The Cruise family has been written off as just another wacky, famous family. She tries to be classy, but truth is, she'll never be a Reese Witherspoon. And Katie and Tom will never be the hot couple that Nicole and Tom were. And Tom Cruise will never be legendary like Robert Redford. - Samantha, Colorado, USA, 8/4/2011 18:02
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Apr 9 11 6:58 AM
MissPixieStix wrote: There are a number of reasons why Americans aren't fans of Katie Holmes. First of all she went from being a cute, young, up-and-coming actress to suddenly being pregnant with Tom Cruise's baby and joining the Scientology cult. It seemed to everyone like she was brain washed. Also every magazine portrays her daughter as an out-of-control spoiled brat. Which, yes, makes Katie Holmes look bad. And lastly, she's just not a great actress and is about a dull as a rock. Honestly, no one really cares what she's up too and Suri' antics don't even interest people anymore. The Cruise family has been written off as just another wacky, famous family. She tries to be classy, but truth is, she'll never be a Reese Witherspoon. And Katie and Tom will never be the hot couple that Nicole and Tom were. And Tom Cruise will never be legendary like Robert Redford. - Samantha, Colorado, USA, 8/4/2011 18:02
Apr 9 11 7:37 AM
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Apr 9 11 8:57 AM
madame duran wrote: Yet both Tom and Katie don't see the benefit of offloading each other at this point? See, when they're that hungry for media attention that they're willing to engage in self-torture in order to maintain a lie, I call that desperation.
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Apr 9 11 10:15 AM
Most of those DM posters need to get to Free Katie, stat! I am happy to see that most posters aren't solely blaming Tommy Girl for Katie's dismal reputation and career. Sure, being linked with him doesn't do her any favors but it's not like we're talking about a Meryl Streep-calibre actress, or even half a Meryl Streep, who is getting a bum deal because of her personal life. Katie is a crap actress who got extremely lucky with one t.v. role. She hasn't managed to recapture the success she saw with Dawson's Creek and isn't likely to. Bottom line, Katie isn't charming the American public because she's lacking in talent, interest and charm.
They're idiots, which I don't necessarily find offensive. But I do find it offensive that they think I'm an idiot and would believe what they're saying. ******************
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Apr 9 11 2:55 PM
psychoticstate wrote: Most of those DM posters need to get to Free Katie, stat! I am happy to see that most posters aren't solely blaming Tommy Girl for Katie's dismal reputation and career. Sure, being linked with him doesn't do her any favors but it's not like we're talking about a Meryl Streep-calibre actress, or even half a Meryl Streep, who is getting a bum deal because of her personal life. Katie is a crap actress who got extremely lucky with one t.v. role. She hasn't managed to recapture the success she saw with Dawson's Creek and isn't likely to. Bottom line, Katie isn't charming the American public because she's lacking in talent, interest and charm.
Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes exist. Because they do.L. Ron Hubbard
Apr 9 11 8:21 PM
bubbles wrote: Those comments prove that people aren't stupid and they can see past the it's-all-Tom's-fault crap. If only KAK's own family could.
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Apr 9 11 8:34 PM
psychoticstate wrote: bubbles wrote: Those comments prove that people aren't stupid and they can see past the it's-all-Tom's-fault crap. If only KAK's own family could. That's what bothers me about commenters blaming Tommy for this. It supports Katie's family's assumption that her career is ruined solely because of Tommy. I think her career took a quicker nosedive due to her connection with him but I also think she's gotten a handful of roles because of his influence and/or money that she never would have been considered for otherwise.
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Apr 10 11 5:35 AM
FWIW, I don't think Tommy is on a mission to wreck her career. He may not want anyone to eclipse him, but I don't think he has the motivation to do that.
Husband turned on "War of the Worlds" last night. I groaned, but quickly got caught up in the story. Tom was good. He was good enough that I forgot he was Tom Cruise
What happened when the Gruesome Twosome hooked up? Did the energy required for their fake life leave nothing for the screen? I never thought KAK was a great actress, but damn, they both got much much worse after getting together
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Apr 10 11 12:21 PM
KidLawless77 wrote: 'Her best role to date': Holmes, 32, is probably more famous these days for her husband, Tom Cruise, and daughter, Suri, than her acting career
'Her best role to date': Holmes, 32, is probably more famous these days for her husband, Tom Cruise, and daughter, Suri, than her acting career
'Katie would love to do a West End play or musical in the near future,' says an acquaintance. 'She's had dancing and singing lessons for four years.'
Apr 10 11 12:25 PM
RealTiredMom wrote: and how much does Scientology have to do with it? If Tom is making all his life decisions based on CoS dictates, and CoS dictated that he split up with Nicole and get together with Kaka, then to admit Kaka is a mistake is to admit CoS made a mistake. I think this is why he is so desperate to keep it going - plus all the CoS minions etc are egging him on to it.
Apr 10 11 1:55 PM
psychoticstate wrote: I think the fact that these two have absolutely nothing in common, other than they both have SAG cards, played a big part. They obviously don't even have a platonic friendship to fall back on, a la Cruise and Kidman. It's obvious to me that Katie has very little dedication and drive to go with some type of ambition. Kidman had and has it and Tommy absolutely has it. I would go so far as to claim the man is probably a severe workaholic - - always moving, always working, always thinking of the next project. Katie appears to be content to shop, pose for pictures and just accept whatever assignments someone, anyone, can provide her with. I would think that would make someone like Tommy crazy.
Real Tired Mom wrote: and how much does Scientology have to do with it? If Tom is making all his life decisions based on CoS dictates, and CoS dictated that he split up with Nicole and get together with Kaka, then to admit Kaka is a mistake is to admit CoS made a mistake.
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psychoticstate wrote: Regarding the CO$, I do think they were the power behind the decision for the Kidman-Cruise split. If they had told Tommy to sit tight, they would still be together today, I honestly believe that. I agree. No doubt in my mind that either Tiny was directly told to ditch Nicole, or he came to the conclusion that he had to get rid of her because she wouldn't commit to CO$ and because of her psychiatrist father. For most of their relationship, he was in CO$ but not that deep. He was enticed in deeper late in the relationship and then she got the flick. They had the perfect movie star couple public image and I sometimes wonder if he realises just how stupid he was to walk away from that. Probably not. I doubt Tiny is capable of taking responsibility for anything. And while I do think the CO$ may have put some pressure on Tommy to find a replacement, maybe even encouraging the relationship with Cruz and with Vergara, I don't think the contract with Katie necessarily came down directly from Davey and/or the CO$. I believe there was a list put together, either by Tommy himself, by DM or perhaps by Pat Kingsley (although I do think that Kingsley likely would have vetoed Katie if she spent any time around her). I think Katie was on the list because she was young, she was relatively attractive then and she was considered up and coming - - she hadn't "made it" yet and that would make her more receptive to a contract offer. She also had the fanbase and demographic that the CO$ was looking for - - young. I think Cruz and Vergara were attempts to woo the Latin fanbase into CO$. I think after those two failed attempts they perhaps decided that maybe the Latin Catholic roots were too strong (and therefore a problem) and they walked away from that idea to go for a younger demographic. Pat Kingsley departed a year before the advent of KAK, while he was still with Penelope. To me, 'The List' has CO$ fingers all over it. Sister Lee Anne was his publicist when it was formulated and when he 'fell madly in love' with KAK. She wasn't fired until late in 2005. Wasn't it rumoured that she was RPF'd? That might not just be for his disastrous PR - she might have been responsible for the list, who was on it and being the driving force behind the nightmare that is TomKat.Katie definitely needed Tommy more than he needed her, looking back on it now. Had there never been a TomKat, I think Tommy would have bounced back. There would have been no couch jumping, no ranting on Matt Lauer, no attacking of Brooke Shields. This relationsham has been devastating for both of them professionally but Tommy has a lot more to lose than Katie. Had there never been a TomKat, there would have been a Tom and whoever and I think his behaviour would have been the same. Having Lee Anne as his publicist allowed the CO$ crazy to come out of the box, because she was also an ardent follower and there was no voice of sanity like Pat to reign him in and settle him down. I agree she needed him more than he needed her, but he had more to lose.Tom made two huge mistakes in the early 'noughties'. The first was ditching Nicole and the second was ditching Pat. I think ultimate responsibility for both of these mistakes lies with CO$.
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